Episode3: "Requiem for a Lightweight” or It’s a boxing episode!

Weird day at the 4077. Trapper is forced to box someone, JB falls in love with a nurse's upper lip, and Vic laments how people used to just live more back then.

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SPEAKER_07 0:26

Welcome everyone to episode three of the Swamp Boys Podcast, Requiem for a Lightweight. Or it's a boxing episode. We're two best friends who grew up watching the show MASH. One of us grew up to become a goof. The other one became a highly respected anesthesiologist. I'm your host, Vic, and joining me as always is the macho to my Hogan in this mega powers team up. JB, how are we doing? Good. I don't like that you called yourself a goof.

unknown 0:55

Oh.

SPEAKER_07 0:55

I thought you were gonna do I thought you were gonna quibble about being macho instead of Hogan. No, I like you're you're yeah, that's fair. You can be yeah, I mean, you're clearly you're clearly Macho to like we don't have to get into our history and and our and our and our temperaments, but you're clearly macho. And I uh and uh I'm I'm I'm stroking my mustache saying that doesn't work for me, brother.

SPEAKER_06 1:17

Yeah, yeah, no, that's good.

SPEAKER_07 1:18

It is. I bring it up. I think it has like been a year since Hulk Hogan died, and they you know they released that documentary. You watched it, right? I loved it. I've been recommending people, yeah. Me too, yeah, me too. Like complicated life, but it's still like at the end of the day, he was the best hero wrestler of all time, he was the best villain wrestler of all time.

SPEAKER_06 1:40

Yeah, I mean, uh the first half of it or third of it, I don't know what it was. It was like just for wrestling fans. If you like wrestling, it's fun and and you can enjoy it. But where it really got good was when it got into the life of the human being, yeah. And it's sort of like he's like the most literal and extreme example of how we take on a persona or a character in our life, and we all do it, and now it's like, you know, who are you really? And what you know, all that kind of shit. But it I thought it they did a great job. It made me reflect on my life and what my goals are and what success looks like, and who am I trying to be? So I I thought it was great.

SPEAKER_07 2:19

They yeah, I mean, there's a lot, there's there's a line in it where like the the one of like the producer asks him, What do you think you're when you when do you think you're happiest? And he pauses and he's like, uh, when my kids were young and we were all together. That was and yeah, I I know exactly what he means when your kids before they get all like moody and they're just these adorable little like walking dolls.

SPEAKER_06 2:42

Uh and he said when his and his wife was such a wonderful mother, right? Like, yeah, it was just like that time in your life where you're grinding and you're like, don't even realize like this is the beautiful time, you know.

SPEAKER_07 2:53

Yeah, but we are here to continue on our journey watching every episode of Mash in Order and analyzing it. Um, today we begin on episode three Requiem for a lightweight. This is uh a complete another completely different episode from the last two. Wow, yes, so different, so different in so many ways. I'm fat. I was watching it last night and I'm like, who made this? Like, it literally looks like other people made this.

SPEAKER_06 3:23

Yeah, uh the exact same thing, yeah. And it that's funny you said that. That was those were my thoughts. I was watching this. It's like a like a completely different show.

SPEAKER_07 3:34

First known thing of like really the the PA announcer on the camp is kind of like sort of the narrator, the chorus, kind of directing the plot. Like, attention, please. Like, this is what's happening today, like, which was almost like used much, much more in the movie. The other thing is cinematography-wise, this looks bizarre. Like, every outside shot has this like haze on it, like it gives it like a dream quality. Hmm, like it's like they're in heaven, or like this is all like it's all it this is what you do when you want to like do a flashback or some sort of heightened reality. Yeah, it's I can't even put my finger on it. Oh, how interesting. Yeah, and and usually with like directors for TV up for TV shows, are they it's not like movie directors where they have to where a movie director will put their own spin on it, their own artistic thing. That's usually the executive producer of the show, run what they call the showrunner, runs the show and just determined what the looks is. The director of that TV episode is just there to sort of fulfill sort of the storytelling that the writers have come up with and keep it consistent from episode to episode. But this looks visibly different. A lot of uh most notably outside, but also like I'll show you lighting inside looks like completely off.

SPEAKER_06 4:58

This show looked like it had more of a budget than the last one, too.

SPEAKER_07 5:01

It does, it does. And they shot like there's more outside shots, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:05

Um, the set was better, the the props, the amount of the amount of people with lines that they had to pay actors, the amount of people, the uh the set dressings, like the sets were more dressed.

SPEAKER_07 5:17

Henry's office looks looks fully complete, the swamp looks fully complete, uh. And then we're slammed into it, like with meeting nurse cutler.

SPEAKER_10 5:28

She's beautiful.

SPEAKER_07 5:29

She, yeah. I have my my notes. She is beautiful in a realistic sense. Like a lot, like the last two episodes we saw. The the nurses are like beautiful models from LA. She looks like a real life person who looks like she could be a nurse that happens to be in the army, and she's happens to be naturally beautiful. Her mouth reminds she looks like this girl I dated.

SPEAKER_06 5:53

Really? Yeah, yeah. She was uh yeah, it didn't, it didn't go well for me. Her mouth, her mouth looks like a girl. Yeah, she has like she look at her lips, she has very distinct lips, like a very full upper lip. Um, not with like you know the filler, but like almost like a scarlet Johansson kind of mouth. Very pretty.

SPEAKER_07 6:16

And right minds of this curl I did have lips like I didn't realize like until we like slow motives down, like how handsy they are with this woman they just met running from the shower.

SPEAKER_06 6:25

Oh, yeah, they're just molesting her out there. Yeah. Is there a cinematographer on television shows? Can I ask you that?

SPEAKER_07 6:31

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a I think uh I think it's like a director of photography, so it's like television crews have similar crews to movies, just it's just cheaper and a much faster sort of shoot time. But this is a deliberate choice, like you can see the haze like or like around or like just around their like their bodies. And we meet placed by played by Marcia Strassman. She would actually have a six-episode run in the show, so we'll be seeing her again. She had a long career, she's probably best known for being the mom in Honey. I shrunk the kids. Oh, which I don't have a strong. I remember that movie with Rick Moranis. Um I don't remember what the mom looked like, but it's probably her in 1989, so 15 years long. And she leaves, presumably, she's running back completely naked and uh to the OR. Four tables going. Ugly John's passing gas.

SPEAKER_06 7:34

Yeah, look how much better this OR scene looks than the other one. This is the last one.

SPEAKER_07 7:37

This is complete, yeah. This looks closer to the tone of the pilot. And tons of tons of uh tons of actors in this shot, too. Yeah. And so you do have um this table has uh this table has uh an anesthesiologist over there, and they yeah, that's that's interesting.

SPEAKER_06 7:55

You know what's this is really how it is, too. There's a a surgeon and then there's a scrub standing there handing them stuff. That's that's what it looks like.

SPEAKER_07 8:04

And I think that's what like Cutler's doing, where I think Hawkeye is impressed how she passes the end. I've noticed that like in episodes they'll comment if the if the nurse doesn't pass in the instrument properly.

SPEAKER_06 8:17

That's a real thing, man. Yeah, a good scrub that knows what to do and can anticipate and and put it, be ready for it, like knows the surgery, knows the surgeon, and they'll have the next thing available. That's yeah, that's a real thing.

SPEAKER_07 8:29

Because it is kind of a choreography, huh?

SPEAKER_06 8:31

Yeah, I mean, a good scrub is like I'm sure it's awesome for the surgeon to have somebody like that. You can just see like the surgeon's in such a better mood when they have a scrub they like.

SPEAKER_07 8:43

Yeah, and and that that's that comes across in the show, and I think that's probably from the source material too, for hooker's experience.

SPEAKER_06 8:52

Now, I don't know what's going on with that anesthesia. There's the mask isn't on the patient, or I don't know what's going on there.

SPEAKER_07 8:57

Yeah, I mean, maybe I don't know if like with the technology at the time, but like if they can't do a mixture, or sometimes it's gas on, oxygen on, and then he's monitoring how he's breathing and his vitals.

SPEAKER_06 9:11

I mean, I I'm pretty sure you would put an endotracheal tube in there, you'd intubate them, but and you got a little got a little x-ray uh light box up there.

SPEAKER_07 9:21

Oh, yeah, cool. Yeah, I'm always suspicious. Like, I never like x-rays always look like I can't I see a doctor read an x-ray and it's all like, oh, look at that, you got a something here. Like, like it how how well are people trained to read x-rays?

SPEAKER_06 9:36

Because I will tell you, if you have a radiologist look at an x-ray, it is absolutely mind-blowing how fast they will see it. Like it doesn't even, it's like speed reading or something, it doesn't even make sense, like like a uh like a CT scan where they can just scroll through all the images and they'll just like scroll through and they just see everything because they've seen it so many times that like any aberration just they notice it right away. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_07 10:06

It is amazing, yeah. I mean, that's what they're people are there for. Yeah, ugly John gets some stuff in this episode, so I was happy about that.

SPEAKER_06 10:16

I thought this flirtation banter was actually pretty typical of the uh oh, you know what I like right there too? I like how they have the drapes with the clamps. I don't know if I brought that up before, but that is uh that's a real thing.

SPEAKER_07 10:30

Yeah, like so because those are special, those are special scissors you can clamp.

SPEAKER_06 10:34

I mean they are, but they're we just use them because we have them, you know, just like as something to clamp onto the curtain, the the sterile drape to hold it up. And uh that's I do that's what I do. It's cool, it's cool to see that they have that detail in there. But I guess you can I I guess you can use them because they're also sterile. No, it doesn't matter. Like that's the non-sterile side, but you just need something to clamp them on. So what are you gonna use? You know, like sometimes we have plastic clips and shit. But anyways, I thought this flirtation was was pretty good too. I mean, I there's definitely some surgeons that uh you know will flirt and tease these nurses like that.

SPEAKER_07 11:13

Look how beautiful she is just seen like like a like a rectangle of her face. I know.

SPEAKER_06 11:19

I wish I had a picture of that girl. I should show you. She looks like pickups, pickups, kiss.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

What?

SPEAKER_08 11:29

Surprise me. Make a note of that. I want him put on report, disrespectful behavior.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

She's a new one. I'll take care of her.

SPEAKER_07 11:38

And and Killjoy's Burns and Margaret. Oh, yeah. Oh, they uh the that they're they're they're secretly f and then there's some hardcore shop talk.

SPEAKER_08 11:46

So, did you have to mobilize the duodenum? Yeah, I thought there might be a retroperitoneal perforation. You know, is it large hematoma in the area? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

Do you two want to be alone?

SPEAKER_05 11:55

Yeah, but not necessarily with each other.

SPEAKER_07 11:57

I get I get the stuff I understand. Like large hematoma means there's something bleeding. Ret what's the retroperitoneal?

SPEAKER_06 12:04

So, first of all, I'll say all those uh that's real medical jargon. So, like the peritoneum is like your abdominal cavity, and the retroperitoneum is like an area in your abdominal cavity that's behind it almost like against your spine. Like lower back? Um, it's between like uh just imagine between your ribs and your pelvis, but like the most back area, like behind your back, behind your stomach and into your back area. So like kidneys and spleen, and maybe part of your pancreas, I think is like partially retroperitoneal. Why move mobilize the duodenum? That is move. I mean, mobilize is just they had to like move it aside. Did do doctors talk that technically, like as just as like on break, just to themselves? Probably that's not even really that technical. That's just like medical jargon.

SPEAKER_07 12:58

Well, medical jargon to lay people as technical. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:02

So I I would say that that's like probably and I in terms of like technical talk, that's not I wouldn't consider that very technical, like flexing kind of talk. That's just they're just using medical terms.

SPEAKER_07 13:14

Okay, that's that's what it was. Hot lips is such a killjoy. There's a lot you'll notice spotlights, like large white spotlights in like the um we can keep pointing it out. Like, look at the reflection there. Like, that is those are really and now like old hot studio lights. Uh uh. Just very interesting. And then Hawkeye and Trapper go according. The one thing that like stands out to me, like, okay, like Trapper is here, and he's he he's he's married with kids, he'll down to hook up. He what like I don't get he's a married man, he's courting this nurse. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 13:50

Oh, because he's married, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 13:52

I mean he's acting like a young single man. I guess that's like it this makes more sense for Hawkeye.

SPEAKER_06 13:59

Yeah. Well, come on, yeah, come on, don't compete with your buddies. One of you, you know. I mean, unless they're having fun, who knows? But the uh what's the MacGuffin here?

SPEAKER_07 14:14

So she's she's she's the she's the McGuffin. Keeping her is is the goal of the episode. Okay, she's thin too. She God, she looks 70s.

SPEAKER_06 14:28

Wait till we see that zoom in over. I want you to see.

SPEAKER_07 14:31

Oh, is this about her lips? Her mouth?

SPEAKER_06 14:34

Yeah, right there. Look at that.

SPEAKER_07 14:35

Oh my god. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:37

Look at that. See that upper lip? Very pretty.

SPEAKER_07 14:39

And she's explaining she's she just got there, but she's also now being reassigned, which seems like abuse of power.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

I am not unpacking. I'm packing. I've been transferred to another unit.

SPEAKER_08 14:53

Transferred?

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Major Hulahan says I'm a bit of a distraction.

SPEAKER_08 14:57

What a rotten thing to say. Yeah, you're an incredible distraction. We're not giving you up.

SPEAKER_07 15:02

You're the Okay, watch this scene. I think this all might be one shot without any cuts. Because halfway through it, I haven't I I I have in my notes like they're running the scene in Henry's office like a play.

SPEAKER_06 15:14

Yeah, this is like one of the wait, he's having them signed blank papers, is that yeah, that's I love that.

SPEAKER_07 15:20

I just love that. Then he'll radar will just type out his own orders later. Yeah, that's so great.

SPEAKER_04 15:28

Blank papers, yes, sir. Is that a good idea? It's got done on your workload. You sign them now, lady, you don't have to buy. But should I have really signed blank papers? I can't answer that, sir. You're the one that signed them. I didn't.

SPEAKER_06 15:42

Well, this is like a bit in every episode, right? Where like uh sign to sir, one of my signing radar. Oh, you're the one or where they at least he's like putting things in and out of his hand, like where they're not like the the Henry's Henry's fully formed now.

SPEAKER_07 15:56

He's got his his Iowa cup, he's got his pictures of his children on his desk. Like uh might be the same desk that flew away from last episode. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 16:08

I remember last episode about the desk for like ten thousand dollars for like a tiny box of so yeah, hydrocortisone, yeah. Whatever it was, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 16:18

For hydrocortis, yeah, yeah. Uh I still haven't edited that one for some neosporin. For neos like, how are we supposed to run this field hospital without hydrocortisone? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 16:32

We need to go.

SPEAKER_07 16:32

So he has got a bowl, he's got a bowling trophy on the on on the filing cabinet. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, little touches. Yeah. Um, no skeleton yet. I remember there's a skeleton in the corner. Um heating up heating up uh the coffee by the little uh um wood stove. Oh yeah, so is there a cut? I don't think there's a cut. Wow, you're right. Yeah, they that's why, like, by by this point, I'm like, God, this is like a play. I'm watching like a play, even like it even has the big sort of floodlights on them.

SPEAKER_06 17:06

Yeah. Interesting director, like I looked up the director. He he was uh a World War II guy. He was in World War II, and then a lot of those guys were, right?

SPEAKER_07 17:18

Yeah, I mean I mean premium. Yeah, I mean, I think Mel Brooks was in World War II. We get to the the jumping off point that hey, you want to keep this nurse? We uh we have a boxing league. So you guys are one of you have the box, which is odd.

SPEAKER_03 17:32

If uh one of you two guys would say, uh go uh three rounds with him, I'll see what I can do about getting Nurse Cutter back for you.

SPEAKER_07 17:44

There was a fair amount of like TV shows of the time would do boxing episodes. It's cheap to do because you usually are running it inside. I'm there's a I watched a bunch of um old Mission Impossible episodes from right around this time, and there was like a boxing episode. Twilight Zone had an up Twilight Zone had a couple boxing episodes, Hogan's Heroes, Odd Couple, the Monkeys. So boxing episodes were the go-to for the writers of shows back then. Yeah, that was all that was what they call a a wonder. Wow, did it just uh single camera follows Henry around?

SPEAKER_06 18:18

Yeah, that's awesome. That's actually pretty impressive. That is that's great.

SPEAKER_07 18:22

You notice that, yeah, because there was no cutaways, usually, Henry, like in the in a show, you do this, and then you cut the hawkeye's reaction like a close-up, like and then back to Henry, and then yeah, a completely different looking like outside. Look at that, it's like fog. Yeah, great shot.

SPEAKER_06 18:39

This is a great shot. Now, did they zoom up as she's driving up?

SPEAKER_07 18:43

Are they doing one of those kind of things? It what it might be, it might be like a long lens, like a telephoto lens, so you can keep her in the in in a medium shot, and then when the Jeep drives by, it uh is it's really blown up in the screen. I don't think they're like doing like a rack zoom or anything. That is a great shot right there.

SPEAKER_06 19:04

That's perfect to hit the mark and everything. Yeah. Well, I mean, what do I know?

SPEAKER_07 19:08

But you know, you you like what you see? I like what I see. You yeah, you see the you like the you like the mouth.

SPEAKER_08 19:15

What a punch! Save it. Save what? Don't hustle me because I'm not fighting anybody. That's a shame. I bet you're a natural who fought in school. As a matter of fact, I was very good there. I knew it. But I'm not in shape. Who says you're not in shape? You got a cute body. I've seen guys sneaking peaks at you with callous things.

SPEAKER_07 19:35

At two, Hawkeye trains strapper to be a boxer. Although, one thing I wanted that we haven't touched on is the The Door of the Swamp has this symbol, which I always thought was a sword.

SPEAKER_06 19:46

Yeah, what is that?

SPEAKER_07 19:47

I looked it up. It's from the book, and it's a Moore symbol designed to bring good luck and ward off evil evil spirits. It's like it probably was like once on my short list of stuff. If I did get a tattoo, it'd probably be that.

SPEAKER_10 20:03

Really?

SPEAKER_07 20:05

They immediately have a ring assembled in the the the mess tent. And holy shit, it's the real father mcahy. He walks into the the show. I I cannot tell you, like, I I did like a touchdown when I actually saw the real father Mokehi and not that other stooge who didn't have any lines and just made the face.

SPEAKER_06 20:24

He's he's banging that he left the priesthood to bang that one chick in Tokyo.

SPEAKER_07 20:29

Yeah, and yeah, I and I just can't get over. He comes, walks through the door, fully formed, like his his he nails his character exactly from now till 12 years from now, and it's just so good to see him.

SPEAKER_05 20:44

It oh hi, Bonnie. I trained a number of boys to box back home. Any advice for trapper? Prayer. I don't think he's got one.

SPEAKER_07 21:00

I guess it's like this is kind of like hitting my nostalgia of like, this is what I think a caring Catholic priest should be. Something we didn't experience a lot in real Catholic school. Uh just a good-natured, good-natured, not smug, that they they know the truth. Don't don't don't make you feel bad about yourself or not being perfect. Look at that. Look at that photo. And he acted a ton. He's like he's in like a ton of stuff. Like you, like he's he's in the great escape with Steve McQueen. Like what does he do? He's just one of the the prisoners who helps dig the tunnel. That that was a for I don't know why, that was just a highlight for me.

SPEAKER_06 21:45

I like that.

SPEAKER_07 21:45

And he has a he has a nice little touch at the end uh that we'll get to. Uh then yeah, the tri This is before Rocky, too. So this is your training sequence, Hawkeye's I have trapper trains, Hawkeye date drinks. With a martini. Trapper Rocky. This is oh yeah. Rocky was like 77. Like this is like 72.

SPEAKER_06 22:07

So I wonder where that like trope comes from of like you know driving behind the boxer.

SPEAKER_07 22:14

That's true. I mean, there was tons of boxing movies, like I'm sure there was noir movies that were boxing. Boxing was because uh boxing also was like associated with the mob. But yeah, I yeah, I haven't seen this. You think Rocky's like like the first real boxing training montage you think about and yeah, and sort of the final word on it too, like wearing the sweatsuit and jogging, and then yeah, and then purple get each Rocky movie would get progressively crazier. Him and Carl Weathers like hugging in the surf with their short shorts, and then Rocky Ford to avenge his death. He's hiking up the mountain. God, he he looked amazing in that one. That was he I heard heard an interview like about he had the train, but also he he eliminated carbs to do cutting. But then his like brain, he realized without carbs his brain wouldn't work. So he'd have like an oatmeal cookie a day or something just to like to stay alive. Uh yeah, nice little nice little touch. They're training. Uh they're using a heavy bag of like Frank's Frank's duffel bag. Oh, this is the most this this made me sad. Like they say something to her and she like starts crying.

SPEAKER_06 23:28

I thought that was a very mean joke, too. I I was surprised in that. Yeah, like just a minute.

SPEAKER_03 23:33

Isn't that Frank's bag?

SPEAKER_08 23:35

I thought you were Frank's bag.

SPEAKER_06 23:40

That's you, the bag. You're his bag.

SPEAKER_07 23:43

She's a uh I mean, I guess she's she's the villain for the episode. I guess, yeah, the way they show like it was an interesting choice. Jesus Christ. I don't think it's boys. I don't think that's the tone of the episode. Whose picture is that in the corner? Oh, that's Frank's mom. Wow, I think also is there for the whole show. And there um, there's the real still. It got better. Yeah, like that's the like that's the I think this is like in the Smithsonian, like in like the TV section of the Smithsonian.

SPEAKER_06 24:15

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_07 24:16

Yeah, yeah. You have like the mash with the like I guess they're doing gin, like juniper berries or something, and then um you boil it, and then you the copper tube will uh what do you call it, recondense it into like white lightning?

SPEAKER_06 24:33

It's that what water and alcohol have different temperatures that they evaporate at, and so you can separate out the alcohol from the other liquid.

SPEAKER_07 24:45

Did we know anybody who brewed their own alcohol? Like that seems I I'll bleep it, but that seems like something done. Oh, he's done it, yeah. Literally, probably in his bathtub.

SPEAKER_06 24:56

Him and his brother, his brother would think ore. In his backyard, he has all these grape vines, and then he made grappa out of it. He made wine and grappa.

SPEAKER_07 25:07

I think the the general in the the general's boxer is about to show up, and like uh radar's just telling how scary this the the boxer is.

SPEAKER_04 25:15

A guy told me that he was crossing the road, and this jeep came too close to him. He punched it. He punched a jeep, he knocked it out.

SPEAKER_07 25:27

This is their mongo from like Blazing Saddles. Is they're clearly the biggest guy they could find, probably like an ex-football player. He c uh clearly doesn't know how to box, yeah. Yeah, and and I have my nose, we're gonna see shockingly little uh like punches thrown in this episode.

SPEAKER_06 25:43

So Spearchucker didn't make it out of the uh the pipe.

SPEAKER_07 25:46

Spearchucker's spearchucker comes back. I know, like he's in he's in a couple other episodes, but like he's not in this one or last one. The first the the first season, they're really trying to figure out who their main character says. Clinger's not introduced till halfway through. He comes in season one. Wait till you see Klinger's intro. You will not believe the way they intro Klinger. Yeah, ugly John. They're their gas passer.

SPEAKER_06 26:12

He looks like he knows how to box. We're just figuring it.

SPEAKER_07 26:14

Yeah, he looks like he's boxed. He looks like whatever he did, he's had a hard life. He's probably he probably wasn't in the British Army in World War II. Uh, the actor looks like he's probably starred in a thousand episodes of something that we'd show we've never heard of. And nice shot. Uh like like this director's growing on me. Nicely framed. Yeah. Uh Stan Stanley Kubrick would do like the and I'll I'll overlay it, the the like one point perspective. So you're yeah, you're you're focused in on that.

SPEAKER_06 26:46

I'm I'm looking up ether cans because I've never used it or seen it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:53

Uh my note says, tell me about ether.

SPEAKER_06 26:56

Yeah, so I've never used it. I don't think I know anybody or work with anybody, even the guys who are like 60 years old. I don't know if they've ever used it. I had a patient uh just a couple days ago, 80 something, and uh she said that she got real sick with the ether when she was a little kid and they used it. So it's it's been a long time since it's been in use. I sent you a picture of those masks so you can see it. I don't know how you would describe it.

SPEAKER_07 27:22

It's almost like well, one of them looks like like uh like a sit, like what I used to like sieve flour through, and like exactly so. I guess you put the you drench the cloth and then you set it in that.

SPEAKER_06 27:34

Well, you don't drench it. So what you do is you put the you put the cloth, and you see how it has like a rim around the outside where you can like clamp the cloth down. Yeah, yeah. You you put that mask over their face, you put a cloth like into the mask over the top, and then you will drip little drips of ether onto it to get to the so you titrate it to the effect that you want. So it's you know, it's not a perfect science, like you're just dripping that no, yeah, onto the mask until they become unconscious.

SPEAKER_07 28:07

And how does ether do you know the science with how ether put makes you unconscious?

SPEAKER_06 28:12

You know what? I it's only recent that they've um come up with the mechanism for how uh inhaled anesthetics work, so it's it hasn't been it's only like maybe like five years ago that they've come up with the mechanism of it, and it does something where it disrupts the membrane wall of cells so that you can't there's like no transmission of information, consciousness. It's some disruption of the cell membrane, basically.

SPEAKER_07 28:36

Because you've you you you've told me being under anesthesia is closer to being in a coma than it is to being asleep.

SPEAKER_06 28:41

Well, it's not sleep, yeah. You're it's not your brain isn't doing what it does when it's in sleep, it's just it's just not functioning, you know. It's not like uh a lot of crazy stuff happens when you go to sleep. That stuff isn't happening when you're under anesthesia. So I don't know how fast this stuff evaporates, if this is even practical to like put it into onto a leather glove and it would just stay there for you to.

SPEAKER_07 29:05

But this is yeah, I love this little he gets a little bit of business where yeah, touch it like this and this and this, and yeah, and he's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 29:13

And the thing to remember is not to get it near your own hoot, don't get it near your own nose or you're dead. Get him in a clinch. That's it, that's it, get him in the clinch. Just hold it, hold it, right in his nose, get him in the clinch so he can't move. How is the guy gonna hit it? He's gonna inhale it, he'll never know what hit him. This can right there, get him in the clinch.

SPEAKER_06 29:31

So basically, the I mean, it's not really ethical from uh a science like doctor perspective. It's pretty fed up. Oh, we'll get to that, yeah. And also from like a sports perfect, it's it's like kind of hard to root for them because they're kind of like right.

SPEAKER_07 29:46

Yeah, we'll get to we'll get to that in my crimes, my the crime recap. Yeah, even like uh I'm tempted, I'm tempted to it's such a low bar, but like I'm tempted to like bring in the the Hippocratic Oath violations. But pretty much anything they do in this show is a Hippocratic Oath violation, including including uh Hawkeye pressuring Trapper to to be into it be in a fight.

SPEAKER_06 30:09

Yeah, I just you know, usually like if you have a hero, you can kind of get behind it, or there's some kind of but these guys are kind of like the villains. I mean, they're kind of yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:18

I mean, we watched them more or less call Margaret the Seaword, like in the last scene. That's uh so yeah, it's it's there's again they haven't found their tone, they haven't found their tone, they haven't found any of like the edge yet of what makes this show truly great, which I'll talk about later. But the uh it's still a step up from last episode. So we get our our first new recurring general, and my original note before I did research, my original note is this guy doesn't look like a general, he looks like he's running a New York deli. Yeah, look how I mean he's probably five foot three, he's like five foot three and like 220 pounds, but all but uh a little research. Uh, he he actually, this actor named Sorel Book was in the army in Korea in the Korean War. Like he was a U.S. counterintelligence officer during the real Korean War. The even bigger revelation I had was go on to play boss hog in the Dukes of Hazard of all, and again, unrecognizable from like this to this, like unbelievable. Like, wow, what a life. People just live more, like much like Hulk Hogan. People just lived more.

SPEAKER_06 31:32

What do you want to do? What's your what are you not doing in your life, man?

SPEAKER_07 31:40

I'm not here to regret for regrets. And I have my they're treating the other boxer like he's Andre the Giant. Like, even look at this, look at this, like uh, these camera angles. Yeah, it's great. The camera angles are awesome.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

I don't believe you've met Sergeant Flacker.

SPEAKER_09 32:03

Easy. Me doctor, need hand, operate.

SPEAKER_07 32:12

Look at Henry. Yeah. And maybe like they they maybe they uh they paired they got this actor for the general because he's short and they could stand next to the really tall guy. Also, these are these uh I analyzed it. These medals are correct for what a general would be from World War II to Korea. All right, now we uh kid doctor. I like that.

SPEAKER_09 32:36

Oh, that's so stupid.

SPEAKER_07 32:39

With the tape with medical tape, medical tape, yeah, yeah. Kid doctor. What was he? Uh what was the it does killer and does kill this is this is like a Mel Brooks joke or something. Yeah, yeah, right, right. And Hawkeye, Hawkeye's trying to re reassure Trapper. Don't worry, I got the ether. Just just put on your glove and just stick out your glove and make him smell it. Yeah, but Margaret um sabotaged it, I think rightly so, with real water. I also have my notes, but she looks so cute. Oh and much like much like the uh the football sequence in the movie, the general and henry start betting during the game. Uh like use like little touch using the surgical lights.

SPEAKER_06 33:26

Oh, nice. Yeah. And then they don't you know they don't throw it cast a shadow.

SPEAKER_07 33:32

How why wouldn't that what?

SPEAKER_06 33:35

How's that how's that possible? I don't know. Just a way to diffuse it. Don't know. I you know what? I just I heard one of them saying that one time. They're like, Yeah, these these lights are great, they don't throw a shadow. I was like, what? And I never I never thought about it again until right now.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

In this corner, weighing 260 pounds with a record of 97 wins, no losses, and three remiss. In this corner, representing the fighting formal 77, winning 175 pounds, Olive and Hart.

SPEAKER_07 34:23

They're almost a hundred pounds off weight. Yeah, 270. I don't think he said 272. Right, yeah, giant guy. Not a lot for Frank to do this episode, but we'll get he'll have he'll shine. So uh Hawkeye smells that it isn't ether, runs, runs to the the supply room to steal some more ether for their plan. So it must have been. Hope nobody needs ether for surgery.

SPEAKER_06 34:53

I know. Crazy. That could have been the hydrocore zone. They have no anesthesia, you know.

SPEAKER_07 34:59

Yeah, that would that's that's such a more interesting episode that like we gotta operate, but like we have no anesthesia. What do we do? You know how they know that you you know that happened in war too.

SPEAKER_06 35:12

Yeah, you know, I mean, I I that you know how they discovered ether for anesthesia? Uh a bunch of guys were in a barn getting high off ether, and they woke up the next day and they had all these bruises on them, and they're like, damn, I don't even remember doing that, like it because it made them, you know, they didn't feel the pain. And then one of the guys had like some fucking nasty thing on his back that needed to get cut out, and so they're like, Well, let's use some ether. And so the guy like breathed the ether and got this like nasty thing excised from his back, and the guy didn't feel a thing, and so they're like, Oh shit, this can work for surgery.

SPEAKER_07 35:59

You see what I mean when I say people just live back lived more back then? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was probably not the craziest thing ever to happen to those people either. Right. All right, uh uh Trapper has got his his instrument to cheat finally uh and locks up, and no one suspects suspects this is the uh only Margaret. Uh is gonna throw it. Is he gonna throw it? Uh yeah, this this is very monk. Wow, pause that.

SPEAKER_06 36:29

That's like that just the that almost looks like some kind of like a painting from the Renaissance, you know.

SPEAKER_07 36:37

Uh-huh. Which background players are are are are uh laughing? There's a there's a term, uh there's a term in acting when um you can't stop laughing on screen, even though like you can't. It's called corpsing.

SPEAKER_06 36:52

Yeah, do you see him? The so the top left, two of top left, and then the the chicks on the side down there. Yeah, chicks on the side.

SPEAKER_07 36:58

If that that you can almost say, like, um that's they're enjoying this, they're enjoying this happening in character, but maybe Frank Frank almost looks like he's gonna break. Like that the he's he's this giant naked guy on him. Yeah, there. See, he's he he's starting to lose it. Because he's trying to play hurt, like this hurts. This is this is killing me. Margaret's Margaret's the only one sort of like yeah, who who came who came to play. Everyone else. She's selling. Yeah, she's selling. She's Father Mokay counts to nine, and then the last one he cross he does the cross. So good. What a what a pro from first scene to last scene from the show. And maybe in a few other spin-offs. Oh no. Does he have his own spin-off? Let's just let's just say we'll see, we'll wish him luck and see him again. Wow. Uh, I would probably like they should have put more special effect makeup on uh on on Trapper.

SPEAKER_06 38:17

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_07 38:19

I have like as we as we kind of wrap this up, like I have this as like a comfort food episode. It doesn't really it what it does, it makes this this makes it look fun to live at the camp, which is not the intent of the show. Oh like this look like hey, this is fun. Let's go see a boxing match. Oh, we're getting to some hijinks, not like you're you're it's like half the time it's freezing, half the time it's scorching hot, you're wading through blood and guts. Uh so there was none of the the edge of the show yet. I think there we'll get to an episode this season which like is the demarcation point of when the show really gets its edge.

SPEAKER_06 38:59

But visually, I would say this is compelling.

SPEAKER_07 39:03

Yeah, this is much more of the show, like of like the complete package of the show. We've had another main character join the join the family. Uh the camp looks much more alive. Um, the the the sets look complete.

SPEAKER_06 39:18

Yeah. Um more extras involved. Yeah. More more of the uh on location shooting, which is great, outdoor stuff.

SPEAKER_07 39:29

And so, yeah, that's episode three. I'd uh like to move to the reigning.

SPEAKER_06 39:34

We're gonna give it out of out of you you you went first la I went first last time. You'll go first this time, but give me a second to really figure out what I want to say on it. Um sure, I'll I can go for it. Um wait, but I want before you say anything, I I want to pick out in my head how you're gonna write down your answer for final Jeff. Well, yeah, I don't I don't want you to corrupt my answer. I want to give like so I gotta think. Can we give we can give like point something, right?

SPEAKER_07 39:58

Or something like I mean out of out of one out of ten, you can't choose a solid number. All right, all right. I enjoy this um much more than last episode. I think it's bringing more of the spirit of what the show is, still's lacking any sort of compelling narrative about what it means to be human, uh, and um the like the nature of war and the madness that that that entails. But it was also very is also enjoyable, very funny, great guest stars. Um, I'm gonna give it a six. Okay. Six out of ten. Um so I'm gonna give it six out of ten martinis.

SPEAKER_06 40:39

Uh well, so I am gonna let you change my score then. I was gonna give it like a seven, five, but I'm gonna give it a seven. Okay. I'll give it a seven. I I kind of felt like watching it. I'm like, I don't the what's the point of the story? It's stupid. This like boxing match for this girl. It was like it was like an excuse to write a show. There was no like I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 41:07

Yeah, this this seems like a lot of show like most shows have what they call a writer's room where you know you get you know these five, six writers like putting putting ideas up on a board and like spitballing stuff. This seems like a writer's room kind of kind of deal and not like what an auteur idea from like the the showrunner. If you know if so this seems like hey, what do we got? Like almost a what we call a filler episode. Yeah, that's what I felt like.

SPEAKER_06 41:35

I was like, what's the it just uh I don't know, it was just pointless the story.

SPEAKER_07 41:41

Um but still you ranked you ranked it, you ranked it higher than me.

SPEAKER_06 41:45

I thought it looked great, you know, and and coming off of that last one. I thought this was a huge step up, and I thought the the look of it was fantastic, the set design was great.

SPEAKER_07 41:55

Um I think you I think I think the girl's mouth raised a point for you.

SPEAKER_06 42:04

Those were those was an interesting time. The uh the writer of this show of this episode, yeah. This episode, he also wrote the screenplay for uh weekend at Bernie's.

SPEAKER_07 42:20

I was describing to my uh my kid the the prod of week into Bernie's and she had a puzzled look on her face until we we played the trailer, and the trailer's exactly like like the movie, like they're they're puppeteering Bernie on the beach and like water skiing, and he's like dragging him behind on the boat. Uh like what is it the the the the narrator? Like, what is what's gonna happen next to Bernie?

SPEAKER_06 42:46

Yeah, uh that's I mean, what about that one long shot? You that they scored points for that shot in this scene, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 42:54

I'm I'm sort of yeah, I mean, I'm I'm right. We don't need to influence each other or convince each other how many martinis how many martinis we're gonna give this thing.

SPEAKER_06 43:03

Well, I think we have to say who's right. One of us is right. No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_07 43:10

And then um, let's uh before we before we leave, let's wrap up with the crimes. Um yeah, running this through episode through the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Um, I've clocked in a couple. Uh we have the ether conspiracy, uh, article 134. Um, anesthesiologists lacing volatile chemicals to to incapacitate an opponent in the military sanction athletic tournament is a major breach of discipline and protocol. Uh article 108, military property theft. That would uh that would be the ether. Um this is interesting. Um, article 92, failure to obey orders and regulations. Uh, this this is on Burns and Hotlips for not not reporting the crime and instead um doing their own sort of like side conspiracy.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 44:07

And then um article 134, uh conspiracy and cheating. They're cheating, they're cheating in a sanctioned uh sporting event. And there's probably a host of other crimes that didn't pick up, like gambling, uh gambling and fraud, radar with radar with the blank sheet. So, you know, par for the par for the course. But uh I thoroughly enjoyed this a lot more. Uh again, this is sort of comfort food TV. Very quick, too. I'm like, we get to act three. I'm like, it's like I have like six minutes left, and like these episodes go by quick, so yeah. Um, but we also we made it past the three episode curse. So as they say, people who record less than three podcast episodes have a 90% failure rate of giving up on their podcast, which is what they which has happened. So uh we did it, and we're moving onwards and upwards. I think the next couple episodes are I think will be more um sort of surgical driven. So I'm really interested in getting to that. There's some really interesting guest stars coming up um as we go. So I think I think that's all we have for ton for tonight. Thank you again, JB, as always.

SPEAKER_06 45:26

Yeah, thank you. Uh it's been a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_07 45:28

And then if you want to see the fully animated version of this podcast, check us out on YouTube. Link in the description. Thank you all. Good night.